TIP OF THE DAY
Questions And Answers
By Janet Warford Perry
From Page 20
April, 2008 issue of Lost Treasure
Copyright © 2008 Lost Treasure, Inc. All rights reserved.
On page 63 of the December 2007 issue, there is a picture of copper sheeting nails. Do you know of any books that show pictures of and describe their uses in this time period? Harold Wist, Stuart, Florida
(Editor's Note: The photo mentioned is shown again below.)
Because of the ability to withstand weather and water, copper nails have long been utilized both for slate roofing and ship construction. One website I found that provides photos is Slateandcopper.com, a firm that still sells copper nails.
Try visiting Amazon.com to search for books on the subject. The company generally has a wide variety of reading material on any subject matter and also lists the number of illustrations in a book.
Weve been getting Lost Treasure for three or four years now. My question: is there a book similar to the coin books that has tokens, trade tokens, and the like? Thanks for a good magazine. Dave Anspach, via e-mail
Trade tokens, sometimes referred to as a chit, bingle or good for, started circulating in the United States during the late 1800s. Companies circulated the tokens to the general public as a marketing tool to attract customers.
Through the years, some of the more rare, old tokens have become valuable collectibles. Since they are no longer widely used in marketplaces, and are no longer made, it is a collectible that will probably keep increasing in value.
Two books that have a variety of historical information regarding trade tokens made in the United States are: U.S. Trade Tokens 1866-1889 by Russell Rulau, and Bimetallic Trade Tokens of the United States by David E. Schenkman.
Both books are available online at Amazon.com. Additionally, perform an Internet search using Google.com, where scores of websites are listed that provide historical information and photos of tokens.
There are also several clubs throughout the world listed on the web that are dedicated solely to collecting tokens. The expertise found in those groups is usually very helpful to a novice.
Recently, a friend was given permission to hunt a property on the edge of a town of about 4,000 population. The property has a carriage house on it and was built around 1900. Almost immediately he started finding coins in large quantity. Some were on top of the ground. All coins found were 1960 or newer.
As he walked further around the property, he could see many more coins spread out on the surface. He has found over 300 pennies, nickels, dimes and half-dozen quarters. My friend has asked me to help him detect the rest of the property. I would appreciate any and all ideas about what you think could be the reason for this unusual happening. Dale, via e-mail
My first inclination is that someone loaded items onto a flatbed or pickup truck that had once been stored in the carriage house, but during transport the items fell off an unsecured load. I seriously doubt the items were ever buried, due to the sheer numbers you describe being found at the top of the surface.
The best way to find out is to contact the owner of the property, if he or she is still living, or relatives and friends that might have knowledge of any incidents that occurred around the time of the dates on those coins.
Searching land records from the 1960s to the present should take less than an hour at the county courthouse, perhaps just a few minutes.
Normally, I would advise treasure hunters to research land records first. But since permission has already been obtained and much of the treasure located, at this stage of the search, I would think it more important to concentrate first on retrieving all the coins possible. Mark off a grid pattern and work the entire area methodically.
While detecting, look for remnants of some sort of container the coins might have originally been placed inside before the spill occurred. In addition to taking photos of the site and the coins found, keep a log of all items found as well as pertinent notes.
That documentation will help to refresh your memory of this exciting event in the days or years to come.
I absolutely enjoy your articles in daily and state tales. Keep up the good work. In the Utah tales, I just read today about a hold-up in 1874 at Desert Springs Station and how the bandit was captured just south of Modena, Utah. I know where Modena is, as I have been through there several times. However, where is the Desert Springs Station located? Thank you for your kind reply. Les, via e-mail
The only old photograph I was able to find is one taken by George Anderson, which today can be found at the Brigham Young University, Special Collections.
I have listed the website among the sources below. In the photo, the railroad tracks are depicted with some buildings in the far background. Since you have been to Modena, perhaps those structures will have a ring of familiarity. I would suggest printing out a copy of that photo, taking it to Modena and comparing it with the buildings still intact.
Today, Modena is a town consisting of less than 100 residents, but still has left one of the greatest resources to history buffs - a general store. Stop in the general store, buy a cup of coffee, pull up a chair and visit with the locals. Tell them youve heard there was once an old railroad depot in town and ask if any recall where it might have been located.
If you are friendly, undemanding and conduct yourself in a gentleman-like manner, most folks in small towns are glad to visit about days gone by. I bet theres someone in Modena who will remember a grandpa, uncle or old family friend that worked on the railroad.
We just recently moved to Spiro, Oklahoma, which is about 10 miles west of Fort Smith, Arkansas. Do you know or have you heard of any place in the area where we can go out and high bank or do some panning?
If there is any place in the State of Arkansas or Oklahoma, it must still be under wraps so to speak, because Ive been looking around on the Internet with not much luck. Can you give me any insight? Thanks, William Bill Seifert, via e-mail
Welcome to Oklahoma. Many folks dont associate this state with gold deposits, but they are here and in Arkansas as well.
The folks at Gold Fever Prospecting have a web page dedicated to gold and treasure hunting in Oklahoma, including information about gold deposits found today at Turner Falls in Davis, Oklahoma, about four hours away from Spiro. That web page is a good place to begin some online research.
Turner Falls is the largest waterfall in the state, and has long been known for quartz deposits.
A state park is situated there, and I am told the fishing is excellent, so pack a pole along with the gold panning equipment. Additionally, the Gold Prospectors of America has an Oklahoma Chapter, with regular meetings in Ardmore and Oklahoma City.
Contact names, e-mail addresses and telephone numbers are provided on the club website.
On the Arkansas side, gold panning is allowed at the Quachita National Forest, but only 25 pounds of rock are allowed to be taken and none of it can be sold.
However, the National Park Service does permit commercial mining claims to be staked at the site.
The permit process, as well as rock hounding and gold panning rules, are thoroughly explained on their website.
Dana Hannon sent an e-mail offering some information to a reader, identified only as Marc in the December 2007 issue, who asked about his great-great grandfathers Bible, the length of a pace and what a certain date may mean. Danas information is as follows:
The 30-inch and 36-inch paces you mentioned are the lengths of strides for military people marching in formation. There is no standard pace length when not in formation.
"When in the Army, I used to teach troops how to measure their pace count for land navigation. We would have them walk two measured courses that were both 100 meters long.
"One was on flat land, the other uneven. They would walk each one twice and get an average for each course and this established their pace count for even and uneven terrain.
"Depending on the size of the persons legs, the count usually ranges from about 110 to 140 paces for 100 meters on even ground. I forget the range for uneven.
The reference to Sabbath Day, 8 January (here, Im speculating), could be the Sabbath is the first day of the week (1), January the first month of the year (1) and 8 speaks for itself. So if there is some item like a utility pole, etc. that has a 1,1, and 8, that may be a starting point.
Since the owner had been in the Army, he may have been taught map reading. When reading a map, north is always at the top and the reader should orient the map to the north.
"When reading coordinates you read right and up. So, (please remember, Im speculating) from the starting point, go 725 paces due east, then 9 feet north or possibly up a tree.
Dana, thank you for taking the time to respond. Hopefully, the information will lead him to the treasure sought.
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Sand and Gravel Aggregate Pit, Modena, Utah, featured on Loopnet.com
Brigham Young University, Lee Library, L. Tom Perry, Special Collections, George Anderson, photographer.
Quachita National Forest, Minerals and Geology division,